Lower tiers offered keys for the game when it is finished, higher tiers offer access to pre-release backer beta. Beta5 is still pre-release build. I saw the same argument made when another crowdfunded project was delayed. Postponing release date doesn’t make lower purchases eligible for higher tier rewards. Higher tier packages are still available for sale. Not all players who have access to beta are original backers.
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Right decision and we now get some backer love
So technicly the release date is an estimation not a promise. And technicly I never bought a product on fig. And technicly its beta until they say its released. And technicly it would be available on steam but they never said it would be immediatly after release. But even though its all technicly correct, thanks for pointing out dear lawyers, i still feel kinda screwed. I’m merely asking them to consider releasing beta to all backers if there will be another delay after this. Not because its technicly correct, but because it would be morally right towards ‘expectations’ of backers of all tiers.
You did not pay for early access, and you don’t have it. Now you claim that since you would have the game now if it was not delayed, it entitles you to a early access. Well, it does not. It would be an equivalent of me saying “You promised BB every two months, I demand BB13”, and I would, technically, have more right than you, since I actually paid for it. What you are doing is begging, in literal sense. As much as I dislike Yokes, he is right, you can’t get for free something we paid for. We would also have the full game if it got out earlier, but we have to wait. An so shall you, as everybody else.
Oh, you had yet more audacity, even if everybody called you wrong. No, you begging is not morally correct. Begging to get something for free, while others have payed for it is opposite. You are so delusional, that in your head, just waiting made you deserve something. It doesn’t, stop pestering everybody.
Is that so much? May I ask why, so I might improve? 
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lol hell freezes over before we will see such happening. With all the money they were throwing around them, you would expect they could give us a better client. (Cloud saves should have been released in may, now some days ago there are a few games for testing cloud saves).
Conspiracy theory: Phoenix Point delays are just because of the missing cloud saves from Epic? 
Don’t take it seriously. 
Your way of addressing people is “overly-polite”, and looks from insincere to downright creepy. But, if you are from Czechia or Poland, it understandable, as that is how they speak there, and I am 90% sure you are.
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Im merely asking the devs to consider opening the game to all fig backers if there will be delay after this one in 3 months from now.
Read again gladiator. You come here swords drawn saying im ‘claiming’ ‘demanding’ and ‘begging’. Read everything, count to ten, then post. But rather not to me, it was to the devs. I don’t need these outbursts
Ok, then.
- Repeated request, polite or otherwise, to get something you are not entitled in any way, that someone has got and paid for, and you don’t have since you did not, often with moral repercussions mentioned, is, by the definition begging. I am not attacking you, or claiming that was your intention, but that is what you did.
- Did not come “swords drawn”, you repeated same thing over and over again, even if everyone disagrees.
But, credit where the credit is due, you were polite. You seem like a decent human being, and that is the only reason I am responding. Devs noted your request, you noted that people disagree, and that’s that. Do not repeat same the same thing. Only add to the tread if you have something new to add, for example, how it’s fair for others that disagree that you get early access. Again, I’m not claiming I am right, I’m claiming you need some solid arguments if you want to be considered. You can see this as talking-down or help, it’s up to you.
I’m not repeatedly requesting devs: I’m repeatedly explaining myself.
I don’t want any reply from devs (cause i only wanted it considered, not answered) and i guess the only way keeping you out of my mailbox is unsubscribing.
Sorry UV for off topic.
Interesting, I have never felt this way, as I am practically always sincere in the mean of honest. But if you mean sincere like heartfelt then, yes I put jokes and irony to work when I see ungrateful or hateful people. It is stronger than me to do so, instead of politely exchange arguments with the adversary, if he’s wrong and tries to defend his opinion despite previous arguments disproving his opinion. There can also be two other factors involved here:
- my english is far from perfect and I often use simple words and short phrases to describe situation
- and this
Second option here. I suppose we can’t see this in our behavior or way of talking until someone from the “outside” will point it out.
At this point I want to apologize to anyone who felt resentful. As I just want to fight and criticize opinions not the people.
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i guess the only way keeping you out of my mailbox is unsubscribing.
I have the right to write on the forum as much as anyone else, the right you clearly exercised. I was not hostile to you, yet you are clearly insulting me quite harshly. I wish you the best getting your early access, I just wanted you to know you would need better explanation of your viewpoint, instead of repeating it. I’d give you mine, as I only care about R&D (and sometimes base-building) part of the game, and that’s not in yet. I’m sorry for any misunderstanding, I hope you understand this is nothing personal.
Looks like you got better already. 
Ok, no more off-topic stuff here.
Are you serious? You want a retribution for exchange rate and waiting?
Now compare Phoenix Point prices at Epic game store for different countries and if you dont not now Germany, Poland and Slovenia are all in EU and wages vary widely between countries, but we all have to pay about the same price (139 PLN = 32.40 EUR and 1 EUR = 1.10333 USD)…
And some of us are from Serbia, and earn 400$ a month. No regrets buying deluxe version, though.
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Of course, as an addition, they give you Phoenix Point Chitin Armor and Wapons kit and take your names for Soldiers roster or even better they make game free to play…
Now a little more seriously, let’s say you deserve early access and you get it… What then does the rest of us get for compensation who paid extra for early access? We’ll get the money back or additional free DLC or something else???
Think about it… 
I purchased the deluxe version on 1/28/2018, meaning I will waiting for almost 2 years to play PP.
I didn’t expected beta access to be such a sensitive matter, my apologies.
Those who backed with beta acces (almost everyone on forum) see it as a priviledge.
I see beta access >1 year after original release date as a downgrade to what was to be fairly expected.
So that’s where viewpoints differ. It’s not that I want an ‘extra priviledge for free’ or ‘early access’. I just want something for my buck.
Now 1 year after original release date, the term ‘early access’ is a bit questionable.
I think they should give: ‘we are very late and apologize acces’ to everyone.
But that’s my opinion and likely not gonna happen. See you guys @ december.
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See you
I think were we differ, you and me, is in general view of what crowdfunding is. I would say that if you want something for your back you shouldn’t have crowdfunded a game - you are not even guaranteed the final product will be completed, not to mention its quality or release date. Just to be clear, I don’t have access to Beta either. But I didn’t support the game at a tier that would offer this kind of reward, so I don’t see a reason why I should get an access to one.
Back when the campaign started I thrown modest amount of cash to the pile as I wanted to see another XCOM like game with Mr. Gallop sensibilities, was hoping it will donation will help in allowing the team develop the game and had hope to be able to play the game once it is completed. Was short on cash so could offer any more cash, and, unfortunately, I wasn’t able to upgrade on the later date (at this point I don’t think I would rather wait anyway and see how the game turns out first).
Seems like the team is being able to work on the game for a bit longer before releasing it. Good. I am no investor, I have no stake in the game being released within any timeframe, and I would rather play it later, then have a bad first experience.