But how “PP quality is good” happened to be a factual claim? It is as subjective opinion as “PP quality is bad” and lack of proof it is oposite doesn’t make it any less subjective.
Do you know the difference between a baseless claim and a lie? I will instruct you. A baselles claim is any unsupported assertion, regardless if it true or not, you cant know it, therefore is pointless. This is especially true if your claim is about what someone else thinks or has in his mind.
Yes, it is a factual claim. And you can make as many as you want. The problem is if you say “PP quality is bad because I dont like this” then you are supporting a factual claim with a subjective opinion, which does not support the factual claim by definition. So the argument is invalid, again regardless if the claim is true or not, your argument does not support it.
I hope I made myself clear now.
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But you don’t feel them normally. I asked that you feel them or not. If you can feel them non-stop, you know, it’s a problem.
We are at internet you crazy! You can’t know anything. Maybe you are 10 years old child, maybe you are a crazy man…can we know those?
You are expecting proofs for every spoken thing at internet.
This is stupid… lol…
I would not think this will turn into a discussion about neurology. Which is not my speciality, but certainly is in the realm of psychology. And that is not how mental diseases work.
We are discussing, talking and sharing arguments. And there are valid an invalid ways to argue and polite and impolite ways to talk to people regardeless where you are. If you like to talk to people like you are in a charade house is up to you. But I can still show you when you are wrong. And I can still be civil even if you are not.
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Yes. Very clear. No, not really. 
To understand and summarize what you mean: You think the game is good, but as you don’t have any proof of it you stand by a factual claim that it just is. In the same time you dismiss other factual claims that the game is bad, because they have baseless or subjective explanation.
Just because someone can’t prove he is right it doesn’ mean you are right. This is eristic.
You try to show yourself good and me evil. Ok. I did not tell you anything worse then you told me. I was always honest.
I told something I know as I am a CC member who talked many devs time to time and know their overall opinions and you tell me that there is no proof so you choose to not believe them. It’s up to you random internet guy. I don’t have a reason to lie to you. As I said you before, I don’t care you so I don’t have a purpose to lie to you. Isn’t it right?
I know much more then you about this game because of my position. Do you know what the CC means…
and hahaha I figured that I am no longer at CC. Good move SG, they deleted my CC without any notifications. I don’t blame them, just they could do it more civil way.
Anyway… no need to talk anymore. It’s late, I am tired. I spoke enough about anything.
No, I think the fundament of the game is good, and I like it. And I think the game has balance and pace issues, some of them quite important. And Im more interested in discussing about the issues the game has than speaking what I like about it.
But regarding what you ask, so I dont evade the question, I enjoy the story since Im a fan of horror and lovecraft, I like the enemy design, as I think is more cohesive than the one in XCOM. I love the aim system, cause I think gives a lot of depth to the game. I think is relatively bug free. Some other things I like less, but taking into account the content and the budget and ambition of the game, I think is quite remarcable.
I did not comment on your background, or your mental health nor I addressed you personally, Instead, I just talked about your arguments, without using ad-hominem attacks. Also I try to argue using reasons, not feelings or pointless assertions. I also am willing to exchange reasons and arguments. Not just to preach my opinions (And this is not an assertion, is your own claim).
Does that make me more honest than you? As fas as this conversation went, probably, yes.
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But how can you dismiss claims that fundament of the game is bad, if both claims are nothing more but personal, subjective taste?
For instance, I think free aim is one of the main reasons why the game is fundamentaly bad and because of free aim it can’t be fixed. It is unique, sure, but doesn’t fit to TBS at all and instead of increasing tactical depth it flattens it.
I dissmis general claims that are asserted without reason or using bad reasons. I am happy to discuss any speciffic issues you think the game has. I am much less inclined to let comments on the dishonesty of the devs pass, especially when asserting the intentions or bad faith of the designers.
Is actually fairly easy to discuss why some mechanics or features of the game may be bad. And to have a reasonable discussion about those issues. As it is actually ok just to share opinions and impresions, as long again, as they are fair and are not comments on people. And as you are willing to listen to opinions that may disagree with yours and not just preaching your point of view. (Im using “you” in a general way).
For example, “I think the evolution mechanics are bad and shallow” I have no problem with, and may even agree to some point. “The devs broke their promise to deliver evolution mechanics and scammed people”, that would be a less fair claim, because is based on the assertion that you know what happened on the dev cycle, and on the devs minds while ignore the context of what the game is and the reasonable explanations that easily explain why we got a less depth evolution feature than expected. It is called principle of charity in an conversation. Be willing to assume someones elses point of view.
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Just want to tell you something as last. Probably after this post, SG just kicked me from CC without any notification. I am mostly bold when I tell truth and that truth mostly harms some people. because, as I said, there is no reason to lie here. I was a bigger fanboy then you, yes… for that reason and my experience about genre, they invited me to CC. I got hopes to tell devs about things, discuss with them and hear their stories.
But the real thing was not that. CC is just a beta tester group who takes the patches or DLC’s earlier and start to test for balance and bugs. SG ignored most of the problems. They did not care about them and just send versions and asked where are the game breaking problems.
For that reason, CC came to breaking point not once but twice at last 4 months because they are so badly ignored by SG. It was sad. There is more about this but I don’t want to talk everything here.
I talked harsh at discord channel, even became mad time to time because SG was not honest. Most of the balance ideas are declined because of “casuals will have problem” reason. This is SG’s own words.
Yes I expected more from SG as I expected more of a team work BUT I accept my role and told the biggest problems at design and balance. All of them ignored even they said they will listen at some degree.
Those little balancing attempts at skills at Behemoth patch? It’s from CC’s huge balance revision report and just %1 of it maybe and done wrong. They just took few skills and edited them as they wish… their game, their choices, I respected that but all the problems you see which are not solved yet, there is reasons behind that… first is casuals, second is not want to give more manpower to deal with them.
The earlier patch about fire and viral damage? We reported as broken and they just released as it is and flagged as “done/fixed”… So I could not stay there any more…
oSiyeza I am sorry if I offended you. You can think whatever you want. I did not lie but I can’t of course copy-paste discord CC channel screenshots here, as I don’t have any anyway. So believe me or not but it’s what happened.
You can enjoy the game as it’s. There is no problem about it too. I have nothing against any of you as you all are fellow PP fans as you are staying and chatting in its forum.
Good Night.
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I’m not sure from your posts that you do (at least now) - you clearly think things need to change and change in a very specific way (like when you insisted that the new enemy should have swarm behaviour). I don’t see how saying that casual players will have a problem with a design choice is bad form. It’s clear to me that devs aren’t 100% happy with the balance (they said as much in a recent stream) and things will change.
Ignoring questions about modding support, delaying answers, posponing modding support release to finally say: “can’t do” isn’t in my dictionary an honest behaviour. Is it a baseless claim? For you, most likely yes. But I know gamedev market well enough (from inside) to be aware it was nothing more but damage control. Modding support was promissed (during reddit AMA or Q&A) and very expected, and if architecture for it wasn’t planned ahead it was obvious it won’t be possible at all. For any dev it was clear there won’t be mod support since late BB. So you can’t assume honesty, as in relation business to customer communication is rarely honest.
Maybe, and that is a maybe, some people gets offended if you talk to them with the same style you used to talk to me.
Just another example of what we talked about before “SG just kicked me from CC without any notification” Im perfectly ok to accept you are telling the truth, It is your experience what you are talking about. “SG just kicked me from CC without any reason” that would be a problematic claim, because you would be saying the devs did not have an actual reason from their point of view, when you may only be willing to see yours.
For example, this assertion is problematic, because you are only seeing the issues that are issues for you. Many of the problems pointed by the community were actually addressed or at least worked on, which In my view makes obvious that they care. See what I mean?
No you did not offend me, Im not easily ofended. that does not mean I do not reply when someone comments on me. Regarless no harm done, no offense taken.
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To be honest, as one of the original backers, I think we’ve been treated very nicely indeed (how much of that is “good will” and how much was forced by the outrage is a moot point). Two copies of the game, free DLC pass and ongoing engagement w.r.t game experience via surveys, dev streams, community council Discord etc. Not many games have that. It’s not perfect, sure, but definitely not among the worst offenders.
There isn’t Steam Workshop integration, sure. But there are mods. And there is a mod Discord channel for help. So if someone was really keen to mod the game (and there are such people), they still can do it. Not perfect, but not an outright missed deliverable 
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Those words are what I say here. Because I am just a player here. It’s different at CC. I don’t push anyone to do anything but telling the ideas to make the game richer. Everyone tells their specific ideas and you should be specific too when you talk about serious design feedback. because it’s not a place to tell “I think it would be nice…” place. They are asking your opinion and you tell it with details and those details got another discussions.
I don’t care about new myrmidon thing. I cared about air combat and I even send detailed drawings how they can improve the boring and non-logical airgame to a real interceptor one rather then tanks feeling. I was against to not have different weapon loadouts for our planes. I wanted to have new airplanes… because we are the first players who experience the DLC, version whatever.
I can’t talk with details for some reasons but SG does not want to nerf the skills or items like powerful LotA gear. CC players are veterans, legendary players, hardcore TBS fans…
You ofc can not believe what I say totally, but don’t believe what SG tells you too so much. I just look the action rather then words. After I saw many words from SG and as a result, I see another actions, I just could not handle it.
Less then 1% Steam players beat game at hard
below 0.5% at legendary
People either lose patience or dont do full learning curve.
You should be scared, you spam us the most
Mods exist unofficially, check mod nexus
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Yea the mod thing may be one of the biggest drawbacks the game has. And is quite obvious to me that the devs would do it if they could, since that would actually benefit them, and since they even commented on that more than once. I also have to say that they talked to me personally once or twice to explain me some mechanics I have problems with. Which is one of the reasons I go out of my way when I see comments that I think are not fair.
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Im scared of seeing so many msgs…
PS: I have not sent personal msgs (Im innocent of that, I swear), Im a dev too (not really) and Im actually uncapable of respondiong to the few support request I get on a weekly basis to the some of the scientific software I have published. But I feel your pain there.
I don’t want to discuss that part anymore please. I told my story and ofc it’s from my side and as I said that to you I can be hard to handle time to time. I know myself. Just I was not alone with those feelings at CC. I was the bad boy most of the time but everybody got their limits time to time… Just I give you some information I experienced. Not more.
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