Are you trying to make any point? Or just saying that you dont care about my reasons?
My point was fairly simple, the actions of the devs show care. You seem to disagree, and not have any real reason to support your claim, which would be fair if you were talking about your experience with the game and not about the honesty of others, which you are, so it is not.
Yes, because you dare to to say that:
This is not even baseless claim. This is bulshit. Almost every company has an issue tool and fix them. 
Yet here it is undoubtful proof of SG care about our suggestions and opinions. Iâm out.
Show me how most other companies have addresed more suggestions of the users, or have implemented a tool such as that one and not just a forum. Or how the ones that dont do it not care about their players, and dont try to shift the point with empty assertions.
I can tell you some which have not taken as much effort to do so: Firaxis (XCOM and Civilization), Goldhawk interactive (Xenonauts), Romero Games (Empire of sin), Splash Damage / The Coalition (Gear Tactics), Harebrained Schemes (Battletech), Amplitude Studios (Endless Space), CreativeForge Games
(Phantom Doctrine), âŚ
Nope, Iâm out. Till now fixing the product was responsibility, not a sign of care. I have tried to be as polite as possible, but as weâre getting close to discussing definition of care I have lost a will to involve even more with this lawyerish bullshit. This is pointless and endless loop of prooving the claim about prooving the claim to proove the claim. It doesnât make sense anymore. Consider yourself a winner, Schopenhauer would be proud. 
Edit:
Haha. Thatâs a good one. @drages, check this out, Snapshot cares more than Chris does. 
It is not lawyers bullshit, is using logic and reason to argue honestly. If only, you will find my arguments based on epistemology, logic, philosophy and empiricism.
Again, ignoring the reasons to attack the person that makes the arguments shows only the weakness of your position.
No it is about me telling you that using subjective perceptions to distort actual facts is not a valid way of arguing, and that project subjective judgments to be properties of the game or the intentions of the people that made it is dishonest; and you refusing to acknowledge it and instead going in circles using your personal perception of the game do discualify the devs.
I would add PlatĂłn, Descartes or Spinoza. You know none of them are lawyers, dont you?
Is not about winning, is about arguing with honesty. Im not here to win points, but to discuss. If you share a different goal, that may be the issue.
Stop missrepresenting what I said. You are the one arguing to discualify SG on reasons that would apply also to them. I attacked your reasoning, that was the point.
It is a sign of care about finishing the product responsibly, ant to deliver a better game for the players. And now you are ignoring those 50 features added in response to the player feedback. Playing with the words and cherrypicking does not help your position.
And again thank you for not addressing any of my arguments.
Yup, I am deeply sorry I have clearly missrepresented what you have claimed. You definitely never said Goldhawk Interactive have taken less effort than Snapshot Games in that matter. I feel so stupid for making such mistake. I would try to keep my claims as compliant with your thesis as possible, but unfortunately:
Youâre most welcome. Like Iâve said: Iâm done.
Sarcasm does not change what I said. I said that Goldhawk Interactive did not make a feedback tool for the users to ask for game changes or to track the changes that have been done, and does not have such an extensive list of addressed user requests which disproved your claim of SG not making any effort to listen to players besides what is normal in the industry, and that the ammount of addresed requested changes does not show any care:
I also said that if your argument was true, that would imply all companies that did not do something similar not care about the players. Which is obvioulsy false, so your argument is also false cause it would apply to all those other games. This is called Reductio ad absurdum and is a method of proving the falsity of a premise by showing that its logical consequence is absurd or contradictory.
So yes, you are missrepresenting what I said.
And you are welcome to do so, even if it is kind of disappointing that you are unwilling to reflect on your initial position after being shown once and again that your reasons to hold it are wrong.
Making a complex game isnât a easy thing to do, which is obvious. I wonât claim that devs didnât put effort, time and money to do this because It would be not true. But for customers itâs not important how hard they tried. The only thing that matters is how good they really are. It seems currently not good enough and whatâs more problematic some poeple seems to have completely unrealistic view of situation. And when you have no visibility and canât assess where things stand properely youâre usually doomed.
Since we seem to have strayed off original topic⌠If PP is so bad (for some), what current game, in the same genre, should one be playing instead? And I assume those that say PP sucks arenât even playing it. While I understand the desire to turn PP into the game one dreamed of, the designers had their dream too. It just seems that the two dreams arenât the same. Just like Dali is not Rembrandt.
Some dreams are bad and you want to wake up as soon as you can. Just having a dream does not make it worth.
There are not many other modern UFO-likes, unfortunately. You can try Xenonauts 2 if you happened to be part of beta. Other than that, previous titles on modpacks like FXCom Long War, OpenXCom X-Com Files (or X-Piratez, if you can handle adolescent sense of humour and⌠hmm⌠aesthetics) and there is always X-Division for Xenonauts.
I have started FS campaign, but most likely I will rebound again. Canât tell yet if I like FS or not, but there are still things that annoys me greatly and havenât changed at all. Is there something wrong in not playing the game? I wouldnât be here if I didnât care, you know.
Wow, did you compared PP to Rembrandt or Dali? Because it is more like âRonan the Pugâ by Erin Rothgeb.
Laser Squad, Xcom and TFD, even Apocalypse. Cant beat that for now.
Its not 3D and HD, but it is what it should be, no tragic bugs, no betas, no DLC milking. And I am used to that during 90s, so its all new age shock to me.
I agree on Open XCOm and piratez, it has been ported back to AmigaOS
And I swear, I ll switch to Xcom 1994 on Vamp
Can @ oSiyeza get a public warning for psychoanalisys of other people, extreme off topic x50 displayed?
Epic and Steam have their own merits, but simply I like Steam feats better.
I donât think you know what psychoanalysis is. I had not even once made personal comments on others, but instead explained why you should not do that. I analyze arguments and critisize bad ones. You dont like it? That is what discusions and conversations are about.
Funny how you dont have a problem on people making personal attacks, commenting on the education of others, their health or even their families, but a logic argument? we cant have that⌠somebody is using logic against my opinions, please help.
Yes, if you like discussing with insurance company and have to prove every single sentence, because apparently only one side is making claims that must prove and other one is there only to refute them. I donât.
And, if you are presenting any kind of argument that is meant to be taking serioulsy, and you are willing to the debate if you are right.
Granted this may be applied more to formal debates than to casual conversations. But is the only rigurous aproach to discuss arguments. I would claim is useful to aproach arguments in a discussion in a rigurous manner 
Just becase I canât prove I am right doesnât make me wrong, and definitely doesnât make you right. You keep ignoring that and focus on proofs, like it was only thing that matters. 
No, and it does not make you right either. If you cant prove you are right you are arguing on the basis of an opinion, and that is why people uses reasons to support opinions. âBecause I say soâ is not a compeling argument in a conversation.
And yes, arguments are more valuabale than just opinions in a conversation. And when the opinions are framed to qualify others, Its a matter of not disrespecting people without reasons.
How is people supposed to argue with others with different views if all one side brings to the table is because I say so? Are conversations a matter of who is louder or are a matter of who makes the most compeling arguments?
Yet you donât give arguments. Youâre just here to tell others their arguments are shit. This is what I call lawyerish bullshitery. Or talking to insurance company.
I repeat: Just because I canât prove I am right doesnât make me wrong, and definitely doesnât make you right. Do you agree with that statement?
And that is, long story short, what I call talking to insurance company. If you canât prove before insurance agent you are a victim of hit-and-run doenât mean you havenât been hit by a car that runned away. Agent may not have a reason to believe you, but it doesnât make you wrong and it doesnât make agent right.
Bloody hell guys talk about arguing to the far end of a fart! Can we please have some constructive posts about the game rather than this endless discussionđ¤Śđźââď¸
Stop beating the bush about your inability to use valid reasons to support your positions. You are the one danzing in circles about it. If you cant argue with arguments that hardly says anything about me.
No, you seem incapable to listen. I pointed your arguments are wrong and you should not make assumptions about the mind of other people or disqualify the devs or me, or anyone, for no reason. And Iâm right about it.
I provided counter examples and arguments to show you are wrong, and you donât even care. I gave you reasons to support my position and showed you your reasons are invalid. And all you are saying is that you donât even care. That shows my position is reasonable and yours isnt. I already told you, this is not about winning.
Is up to you. I will not keep discussing this nonsense, because you are not interested at all on having any discussion about anything. Now let others speak. Shall we?
