So what do you think about Phoenix Point being Epic?

Upon rationally thinking about it, I only see 2 problems for me personally. 1) I like to have one giant library and hate maintaining steam, origina, gog, etc so being forced onto Epic is annoying(which is mitigated mostly by the after one year, I get my steam key so cool) . The second issue is much greater. That Epic is showing themselves to be fairly unscrupulous. Yes steam is big bad controlling, blah blah, but I don’t recall legit complains of malware that Epic seems to be doing. And if steam was doing it back in the day, they certainly aren’t any more.(or at least being caught). Having to use another launcher is just annoying, but not a big deal. but if that Launcher is trying steal your personal info? That’s just messed up. It seems to me that Epic is doing whatever it can to get to where steam is. throwing gobs of money at developers is a quick solution that ultimately will leave them broke if they are also pissing off their customers at the same time by spying on them.

Steam does not have exclusivity deals fyi.

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https://isthereanydeal.com/game/totalwarshogunii/info/

Do you need a dozen? I can give you a dozen sites

Again this ‘monopoly’ doesn’t seem to be working out that well if a dozen sites can sell a game you magically claim has a ‘monopoly’ on the market

Almost as if

IT doesnt exist

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Note that the recent nonsense with the Epic launcher was the same as the follwing

  1. People claiming VAC read your porn
  2. People claiming Origin read your taxes

What did they all have in common? People who couldn’t put 2 brain cells together loaded up Procmon and then screamed at every thing they didn’t understand.

Literally nothing about 99% of the ‘fuss’ with the Epic client was anything other than “yeah it connects to the internet and accesses your registry like literally every program you hvae on your computer”

Epic is not ‘stealing your personal info’ any more than VAC was ‘reading your porn history’

So are Origin, uPlay, Bnet ‘monopolies’ too?

So is GOG Galaxy by this logic.

The word you are searching for is “exclusive”.

Yes, Origin, uPlay, Bnet has exclusives too, but steam has a lot of those exclusive, and when you have something which is so overwhelmingly needed to do mainstream stuff (in this case, playing games) is when people start to cry “monopoly”, even if it’s not (yet) 100% of the market.

On the other hand, CD Project Red’s Cyberpunk 2077 will be on steam, not exclusive to their own gog, which just shows how dominant steam is, incomparable to other distribution-platforms.

And no, buying it from 3rd party sites does not mean it’s not tied to the platform, it’s still exclusive to that.

No the word I’m looking for is Monopoly since you didnt say “exclusive” anywhere.

Also amazingly many games on Steam are available for purchase directly from

  1. GOG
  2. Humble
  3. itch.io

as direct downloads and dont need steam at all! Amazing

Steam in fact lets you sell your games anywhere you want. Steam doesnt make anything exclusive other than using its Steamworks infrastructure. But again this is not mandatory. As Larian games like Original Sin 1/2 are 100% DRM free on Steam with steamworks integration, and are available for sale on GOG and hUmble etc. Again this ‘exclusive’ thing doesnt really seem to be working that well. Its almost like Steam doesnt enforce this. Almost as if gasp the developers do it.

Steam sells uplay games that you activate through steam to the uplay client. That sounds like literally the opposite of ‘exclusives’ and ‘monopoly’

Its amazing how this ‘monopoly’ and ‘exclusive’ doesnt really jive once you actaully look at it for more than 15 nano seconds

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It was meant to be like that, play of words if you prefer. Meaning is, that Phoenix Point is fantastic, awesome and epic at the same time. Not that it is owned by Epic Games.

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No problem, don’t blame yourself. :wink:

I’ve been seeing a lot of what amounts to ‘hurr, you just dont want another launcher’.
This gentleman, while not the most eloquent, no hitting every single potential major issue people have with it, sums up a few of the issues people have with EGS: https://youtu.be/cSj8SQ5Nu20
A more in depth version of a similar theme, and another good video (i personally recommend this one): https://youtu.be/bNNcykRtQoA

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But the real question is WHY? And the answer isn’t because Steam paid for it. Those companies CHOSE to only release on Steam because it was easier and they don’t have to maintain their own servers for things. At which point I don’t consider them “exclusive” in the manner that we’re talking about here. Yes they’re exclusive because you can only get them through Steam (where you buy the key is irrelevant for this), but they aren’t truly exclusive as those companies still have a CHOICE to sell it elsewhere. The “Only on XBOX” adverts, or how Epic paid for PP exclusivity, or the Destiny exclusive content for Sony are very much different because those companies CAN’T see their product elsewhere due to contracts (or they can’t release it until X time has passed).

This isn’t to give Steam a free pass on things, but people should understand the difference in the “exclusives” that Steam has vs the way other companies have actual exclusives. It might appear the same to the consumer but the reasoning behind it is very much different and should be recognized.

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For me, the point isn’t PP being Epic! The Point is Epic being CHINESE! I have been a victim of Chinese brushing scam and I am no longer allowing chinese companies access to my details!!

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You completely seem to be missing the point. ALL of those are selling STEAM keys… ALL of them. So it really does not help your point.

Try to find just ONE example of a seller that is not just selling a Steam key?

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As a side note, Humble will be selling Epic Keys.

There is a good side to this epic rubbish, and that is for most of us that will never touch anything on Elpic.

We will get into the habit of waiting out the years exclusives. By that time the game will be bug-free with DLC and most likely cheap. A good habit to get into. And the best thing will be that Epic never seen a penny of our money.
One day Epics deep pockets will start to dry up and we can all then enjoy it’s demise.

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They didn’t get backers’ money, so it was false alarm about financing Epic. :wink:

Got my refund so adios!

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Steam could just crush epic’s ambitions in a heartbeat by releasing Half Life 3 but that would involve them actually having to do some hard work for themselves one day.

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They have announced Half-Life 3 but in 5 years.

@Yokes

My thoughts:

I am very disappointed. I backed this game. Now I can NOT play the Alpha/Beta releases until the game is released on GOG.

I really, really want to know how and if at all people with brains like the developers discussed this step and how that discussion went.

Ok, I lost 75 € and will not get anything for it until, I don’t know, fall 2020?
Ok, they can keep the money cause I owe Mr. Gollop a lot more for the fun time I had in the 1994 :slight_smile:

I know that backing is always a risk… sometimes you won’t get anything useful like in this case.

PP and snapshot games has earned my mistrust. For this and all future products.
This will have no “short term” impact but I am sure this will hurt a lot in the long run.

And of course I will NOT install this spy tool on my computer… but I really, really want to know what they were thinking…

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