# Sirens completely broken and not fun to play against **URL:** \ **Category:** Game Feedback\ **Created:** [May 12, 2020, 3:51am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/sirens-completely-broken-and-not-fun-to-play-against/10537 "2020-05-12T03:51:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 8
**Author:** ![VOLAND](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c6cbf5/32.png) [@VOLAND](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/VOLAND)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/sirens-completely-broken-and-not-fun-to-play-against/10537/8 "2020-05-12T14:10:22Z")
> [@CardboardMike](#): > > Destroying the Siren head is the only viable option for early encounters. So is killing them. The trick is dealing with the armor. For that you can either use something to shred the armor (grenades, hell cannon, deceptor, serker shred armor skill), use melee or bash (a very effective technique is jet jump a heavy with Brawler and high strength, bash the Siren [damage from bash is weight of weapon \* strength, so using a hel cannon to bash with 20 str and Brawler does 150 dmg] and if she isn’t dazed or there are other enemies around, cast war cry. If you shred the armor, they go down very easily with an AR (can be as little as 2-3 bursts) or shotgun (no more than 2 shots). Also, a Siren MCing a unit or even two is not the end of the world. I covered them in my guide, but I didn’t update to include the nerfs to Sirens from last patch. > [@A comprehensive guide for playing Phoenix Point (or an attempt at one)](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/a-comprehensive-guide-for-playing-phoenix-point-or-an-attempt-at-one/10188/3): > > _Sirens_ > > Sirens are cool and scary, but they are not that hard to deal with. As all Pandorans they come with different heads and arms that give them different abilities, and different amounts of armor and HPs, but the main danger with Sirens is that they will attempt to Mind Control (MC) your squaddies. Edit: > [@AnotherWorld](#): > > But the problem is I don’t have bionics and anything else except starting weapons and armor on soldiers. And that’s all you need, especially for the first Sirens that you meet. The problem with Sirens, as with many other things in the game, is that PP does a poor job of explaining its fairly complex mechanics. And by the time you learn them, it decides to “reward” you with Terminators that don’t require any tactical thought, but that’s another story… --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/sirens-completely-broken-and-not-fun-to-play-against/10537)._