# Siren mind control mechanics
**URL:** https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048
**Category:** Game Feedback
**Created:** [December 24, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048 "2019-12-24T16:37:37Z")
**Posts on this page:** 10
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### Author:  [@djoles77](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/djoles77)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048/1 "2019-12-24T16:37:37Z")
When a siren mind controls my soldier I try to disable it’s head for it to lose mind control ability. But after I disabled it’s head soldier is still mind controlled.
Is this intentional behavior or a bug?
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### Author:  [@Fufuneraire](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Fufuneraire)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048/2 "2019-12-24T16:54:17Z")
Losing head make a huge willpower loss. If your soldier has 0 and the siren 2, it still keep it one more turn.
Sirens has approximately 6548 willpower.
And if you sedate a siren, it still keep mind control active. Yeepee. 😕
Sweet dreams, fhtagn !
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### Author:  [@Tikigod](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Tikigod)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048/3 "2019-12-24T17:42:48Z")
> [@djoles77](#):
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> When a siren mind controls my soldier I try to disable it’s head for it to lose mind control ability. But after I disabled it’s head soldier is still mind controlled.
> Is this intentional behavior or a bug?
Disabling the head I believe is meant to stop the Siren from **initiating** mind control, but has no direct connection at all to maintaining control over a unit it has already taken over.
This is going off of the recent patch notes and Snapshot including a bugfix where the Siren’s head when targeted in free-aim was not correctly listing the mind control ability as tied to that limb.
Which only suggests that the action to mind control a unit requires a functioning head, once a unit has been taken over then maintaining the control doesn’t require constantly performing the ability again every turn they just need to be able to pay the willpower upkeep therefore a functioning head is not required.
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### Author:  [@Fufuneraire](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Fufuneraire)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048/4 "2019-12-24T18:22:07Z")
Head is not a vital organ. So overrated. :v
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### Author:  [@pantolomin](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/pantolomin)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048/5 "2019-12-24T18:29:58Z")
If you disable the Siren’s head she loses all her willlpower. Therefore, once it’s her turn to play, she loses control over your soldier since it costs 2 WP I think.
I tried it in a mission. I paralzed a Siren, but she had mincontrolled one of my soldiers. So I exploded her head and I had my soldier back for next turn.
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### Author:  [@Tikigod](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Tikigod)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048/6 "2019-12-24T18:36:06Z")
> [@pantolomin](#):
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> If you disable the Siren’s head she loses all her willlpower. Therefore, once it’s her turn to play, she loses control over your soldier since it costs 2 WP I think.
> I tried it in a mission. I paralzed a Siren, but she had mincontrolled one of my soldiers. So I exploded her head and I had my soldier back for next turn.
Ah, makes sense.
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### Author:  [@MichaelIgnotus](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MichaelIgnotus)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048/7 "2019-12-24T19:10:44Z")
That’s true for Pandas - seriously.
Think about it like this: a Pandoran is not an animal, it is a zombie host to a parasitic virus that has mutated and controls it. So the head only vestigially performs the higher-functions of the original organic host. It really is no longer a vital organ.
Of course, that rationale only works for Pandas. Non-vital heads on humans is still as ridiculous as it’s ever been 🥴
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### Author:  [@SpiteAndMalice](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/SpiteAndMalice)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048/8 "2019-12-24T20:10:44Z")
For a moment there I thought you meant:
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### Author:  [@djoles77](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/djoles77)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048/9 "2019-12-24T22:01:29Z")
> [@pantolomin](#):
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> So I exploded her head and I had my soldier back for next turn.
If that’s the case then “problem solved”. I was always so concentrated to put her (it) down that I forgot to save and try that to see how game mechanics work.
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### Author:  [@Tikigod](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Tikigod)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2019, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/siren-mind-control-mechanics/8048/10 "2019-12-25T11:17:28Z")
> [@SpiteAndMalice](#):
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> For a moment there I thought you meant:
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The most fearsome Pandoran of them all.
First priority on encountering is clearly to go for the eyes!
GOOOO FOR THE EYES! ARGGGGGH!
Ok… now I want to recruit some Anu mutated space hamsters.