# Phoenix Point declining player-base **URL:** \ **Category:** Game Feedback\ **Created:** [May 16, 2021, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234 "2021-05-16T09:21:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![drages](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/drages/32/3432_2.png) [@drages](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/drages)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/364 "2021-06-06T19:01:35Z")
> [@stewpidbear](#): > > Are peoples lives so empty that they have to lose their minds over, what is after all, a bloody piece of entertainment that has no relationship to the real world! Fighting for a good thing is not having an empty life. Just accepting everything without fighting for a better one, is life for you like billions out there, but not for us. ---
**Author:** ![rasvoja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/rasvoja/32/4223_2.png) [@rasvoja](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/rasvoja)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/365 "2021-06-06T19:08:44Z")
> [@drages](#): > > Yes, snapshot made a game named PP, but compared what promised (not the content but even design and style, from survivor horror to powerplay with unicorns)… yeah… scam… this won’t change even you like the game we have now. This is not what promised. Agreed, and thus strike / refund request > [@stewpidbear](#): > > Are peoples lives so empty that they have to lose their minds over, what is after all, a bloody piece of entertainment that has no relationship to the real world! No, but fighting company to honour consumer rights / fix bugs is relation to the real world. Even honoring EU right to refund if product is defective ---
**Author:** ![stewpidbear](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/stewpidbear/32/1726_2.png) [@stewpidbear](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/stewpidbear)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/366 "2021-06-06T19:13:26Z")
Funniest reply I’ve seen for ages! You know nothing about who I am or my situation, and you’re the one throwing their toy’s out of the pram because your toy doesn’t do what you want it to do! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 ---
**Author:** ![rasvoja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/rasvoja/32/4223_2.png) [@rasvoja](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/rasvoja)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/367 "2021-06-06T19:14:13Z")
> [@stewpidbear](#): > > and you’re the one throwing their toy’s out of the pram because your toy doesn’t do what you want it to do! It does not what is supposed to do for all. And no, this is not kindergarten Take just playing animations as example. ---
**Author:** ![stewpidbear](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/stewpidbear/32/1726_2.png) [@stewpidbear](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/stewpidbear)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/368 "2021-06-06T19:15:00Z")
Well stop behaving like it is then. ---
**Author:** ![rasvoja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/rasvoja/32/4223_2.png) [@rasvoja](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/rasvoja)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/369 "2021-06-06T19:16:27Z")
Like it is WHAT? Kindergarten? You are mostly behaving like its all OK incl. Council. That is dellusionall - ignoring reality. Worse then kids. They at least have vivid imagination, which is good. But see reality and differ it. On topic: declining user base is happening at least as not growing. Will continue, and is well deserved. > [@drages](#): > > As the game released at alpha state and it took 1 year to have a just past to beta state with still bugs and balance issues everywhere So its still beta. ---
**Author:** ![drages](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/drages/32/3432_2.png) [@drages](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/drages)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/370 "2021-06-06T19:25:44Z")
> [@stewpidbear](#): > > Funniest reply I’ve seen for ages! You know nothing about who I am or my situation I don’t care a bit. ---
**Author:** ![stewpidbear](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/stewpidbear/32/1726_2.png) [@stewpidbear](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/stewpidbear)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/371 "2021-06-06T19:28:26Z")
Rofl​:joy:😢😱😂😂😂 ---
**Author:** ![rasvoja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/rasvoja/32/4223_2.png) [@rasvoja](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/rasvoja)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/372 "2021-06-06T19:59:57Z")
And you call other childish 🙂 Happy, happy, joy, Joy (c) Ren and Stimpy But, you are right about one thing: We don’t really know each other but we do know and experience state of the game, daily or weekly…and that could unite us, in good or bad. ---
**Author:** ![Nattfarinn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/nattfarinn/32/2600_2.png) [@Nattfarinn](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Nattfarinn)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/373 "2021-06-06T20:08:12Z")
> [@stewpidbear](#): > > throwing their toy’s out of the pram because your toy doesn’t do what you want it to do! One could ask how devoided of life joy one has to be, to comment on what entertains who and for what reason. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![oSiyeza](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/osiyeza/32/3610_2.png) [@oSiyeza](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/oSiyeza)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/374 "2021-06-06T20:09:39Z")
> [@drages](#): > > powerplay with unicorns… scam… year to have a just past to beta state … They just made a good show to get all the KS and probably they were giving everything to get a Epic deal too… Here we go. How do you think crying scam and insulting the devs for the hundred time will make you any good? What do you want? Is there anything you want to share? We already know you unconditionally hate PP. What now? > [@rasvoja](#): > > You **always have the right to a minimum 2-year guarantee** No you dont. > In epic: 7 or More Days - 0% of Purchase Price > In steam: For any title that is requested within 14 days of purchase and has been played for less than 2 hours. Even if you fall outside of the **refund** rules we’ve described, you can submit a request and we’ll take a look at it. > [@rasvoja](#): > > Do you eat half baked products? You ate the cake, waited for a year and now expect a refund. Make a request and hope for the best. But I dont think being hostile will do you any help in your refund request. ---
**Author:** ![Nattfarinn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/nattfarinn/32/2600_2.png) [@Nattfarinn](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Nattfarinn)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/375 "2021-06-06T20:12:26Z")
> [@oSiyeza](#): > > Here we go. How do you think crying scam and insulting the devs for the hundred time will make you any good? Well, they don’t care what we write here anyway and the only people who read this are us. 🤷‍♂️ This is almost private space and sharing opinions between friends. ---
**Author:** ![oSiyeza](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/osiyeza/32/3610_2.png) [@oSiyeza](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/oSiyeza)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/376 "2021-06-06T20:20:22Z")
I don’t see much friendliness here. ---
**Author:** ![Nattfarinn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/nattfarinn/32/2600_2.png) [@Nattfarinn](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Nattfarinn)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/377 "2021-06-06T20:20:55Z")
Well, he isn’t hostile towards you, right? ---
**Author:** ![oSiyeza](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/osiyeza/32/3610_2.png) [@oSiyeza](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/oSiyeza)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/378 "2021-06-06T20:24:05Z")
If you go into a room screaming, you are being hostile to everyone inside the room. And if you are personally hostile to anybody, you are being hostile towards everybody. Because you are setting the tone of the conversation and asking everyone to be tolerant with your intolerance. ---
**Author:** ![Wormerine](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/wormerine/32/976_2.png) [@Wormerine](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Wormerine)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/379 "2021-06-06T20:27:55Z")
> [@RepeatAfterMe](#): > > Wouldn’t you pay 11M$ for such a hit? Out of curiosity, I tried to claculate how many sold copies it would cover, and frankly it’s not an outragous number. Base package for PP was [$39.99](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-release-date-and-dlc/5001), and Epic takes a 12% cut, which leaves about $35.2 for Snashot. If my estiate is sound, then that leads to 312,500 copies sold guaranteed by Epic deal. ---
**Author:** ![Nattfarinn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/nattfarinn/32/2600_2.png) [@Nattfarinn](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Nattfarinn)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/380 "2021-06-06T20:28:06Z")
> [@oSiyeza](#): > > And if you are personally hostile to anybody, you are being hostile towards everybody. Because you are setting the tone of the conversation and asking everyone to be tolerant with your intolerance. Please don’t do this again. I don’t feel like he is hostile towards me so this sentence is false. 😛 Yet I am not here to discuss again what is true and what is provable. I’ll just say that everyone has a right to own opinion, even you feel that opinion is unfair. This is just an opinion. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![rasvoja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/rasvoja/32/4223_2.png) [@rasvoja](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/rasvoja)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/381 "2021-06-06T20:28:26Z")
> [@oSiyeza](#): > > No you dont. I see you have broadened your expertise now to everything. Read EU consumer protection law ---
**Author:** ![rasvoja](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/rasvoja/32/4223_2.png) [@rasvoja](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/rasvoja)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/382 "2021-06-06T20:30:27Z")
> [@oSiyeza](#): > > You ate the cake, waited for a year and now expect a refund. Make a request and hope for the best. But I dont think being hostile will do you any help in your refund request It’s not a matter of politeness but consumer right. And Devs have been very rude to us all by ignoring major bugs to milk more money on DLCs Take no anim bug - alone is sufficient ---
**Author:** ![oSiyeza](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/osiyeza/32/3610_2.png) [@oSiyeza](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/oSiyeza)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234/383 "2021-06-06T20:34:20Z")
> [@Nattfarinn](#): > > Please don’t do this again. I don’t feel like he is hostile towards me I did not say you, not this time. Certainly has been hostile to the devs. > [@Nattfarinn](#): > > everyone has a right to own opinion Everybody has the right to own opinion. But nobody has the right to express an opinion in anyway he wants. And nobody has the right to be as mean as he pleases. Or as disrepecful as he pleases without being called for it. Im sorry, if you publicly accuse the devs of scaming the players, you can expect to be called out. [Previous page](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/phoenix-point-declining-player-base/13234.md?page=20)