# Link Rally to Officer Promotion **URL:** \ **Category:** Game Feedback\ **Created:** [April 13, 2020, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229 "2020-04-13T10:20:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Yokes](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/yokes/32/310_2.png) [@Yokes](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Yokes)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/41 "2020-05-03T19:14:28Z")
> [@VOLAND](#): > > . But it would actually take quite a long time to implement, because it would be a huge change for many players. I try to understand this conclusion. 🙂 Changing a few parameters is like an hour of work in not less than that. Huge change for many players means long time to implement? How? Why? What? It may be huge change, but we got DLC with new augmentations replacing standard armors. Was it a problem to any of the players? I don’t think so. Except devs should implement it in the way where you receive not augmented soldiers in recruitment (or just like now you have the information about augmentations). I think that PratBitt suggestion is good. 😉 Let the players adapt. They won’t abandon game because one of the skills was changed. ---
**Author:** ![VOLAND](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c6cbf5/32.png) [@VOLAND](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/VOLAND)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/42 "2020-05-03T20:12:18Z")
> [@Yokes](#): > > may be huge change, but we got DLC with new augmentations replacing standard armors. Was it a problem to any of the players? I don’t think so. Because it was adding something new, not changing something currently existing. It will be a different story if now they replace the melee bionic torso with something else. > [@Yokes](#): > > Let the players adapt. They won’t abandon game because one of the skills was changed. Well, that reasoning works both ways, unfortunately 😉. Ok, let me put it another way: will changing Rally change anything much? Not really. _However_, tackle both Rally and Rapid Clearance in the same pass, now _that’s_ something. ---
**Author:** ![conductiv](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/conductiv/32/2836_2.png) [@conductiv](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/conductiv)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/43 "2020-05-03T20:17:30Z")
> [@Yokes](#): > > I have a questions then. > > - How we assign someone as officer? It works every time we put someone in that manned station? > - Is this distinction permanent or he can loose that function? > - How many officers we can have per base and per globe? > - Why training is faster when officer is higher level? I would prefer linear time of training no matter how experienced officer is. But he can still limit level to which trainees can train. 1.my original plan for that training would be: popup telling the player about the existence and option of training officers, and then having it be a mere button with a cost and time investment attached. but more stuff has to be attached to the promotion to be worth it, that is the first complication. if its just training merely slotting a trooper in the manned station should be enough, but in that case a promotion to an officer would be moot. 2. permanent. 3. you can go “all chiefs no indians” if you want to in my current suggestion. note that is has nothing to do with @MichaelIgnotus rally suggestion. it has to do with the XP flood of the alpha team, and the fact that you can train troops to a higher level faster then actually get them through fighting by stacking training centers. 4. this is a matter of preference really, I prefer the time needed for training from rookie to the cap to be roughly the same all the time, and higher levels require more XP, so the TC manned by a high level trainer should have a higher XP/day rate. @PradBitt: that, is actually a very good idea…its even easier then applying turn limits. ---
**Author:** ![walan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@walan](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/walan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/44 "2020-05-03T20:26:13Z")
@PradBitt +1 It is elegant and simple at the same time. The skill keeps its power without getting out of control. ---
**Author:** ![PradBitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@PradBitt](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/PradBitt)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/45 "2020-05-03T20:37:29Z")
Voland, what you’re talking about it’s not implementation cost. It’s more of a risk (since it’s a nerf it will not be taken kindly by some part of the audience, like for example change to a dash skill). However it’s manageable (like don’t change skills all the time, or if you nerf something, buff something else, etc.) and unavoidable (if you want to improve, you must change, therefore take some risk). Anyway the most important part here is the question: Is Rally the troops actually perceived to be OP by the designers? Did they acknowledge that? If not yet, maybe more energy should be spent on presenting OP cases and answering questions like “How OP do you feel it’s?”. “Would using it only once (per turn in total), only twice,…, be better?” ---
**Author:** ![VOLAND](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c6cbf5/32.png) [@VOLAND](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/VOLAND)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/46 "2020-05-03T21:17:08Z")
> [@PradBitt](#): > > . It’s more of a risk (since it’s a nerf it will not be taken kindly by some part of the audience, like for example change to a dash skill). However it’s manageable (like don’t change skills all the time, or if you nerf something, buff something else, etc.) and unavoidable (if you want to improve, you must change, therefore take some risk). Yep, that’s my point. Rally is _one_ of many skills that need to be toned down. Actually, so many that it can’t be done in one pass either. Thus my thinking that it might be tackled with Rapid Clearance, as both skills are about AP refunds. > [@PradBitt](#): > > Anyway the most important part here is the question: Is Rally the troops actually perceived to be OP by the designers? Did they acknowledge that? To the first question, I would say who knows, and to the second, no. ---
**Author:** ![walan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@walan](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/walan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/47 "2020-05-03T21:49:52Z")
> [@PradBitt](#): > > if you want to improve, you must change, therefore take some risk That is exactly the point. Snapshot (until now) lacked the courage to consistently follow an identity and a direction. The game is very complex (and it’s wonderful). This complexity is the perfect framework for tactics, which works pretty well until mid-game. From then on there was no courage to do it consistently. Or they just thought: “to sell a lot” it is necessary to have superhero skills, because the kids want exactly that. Well, that’s why the direction is diffuse. Many successful products have shown courage and consequent decisions that some did not like, but overall made the product a masterpiece. You have to be able to change to get to the next level. The real question is: Did the majority of PP players just buy the game because of their superhero skills? If so, then there is no longer any need for discussions here. One thing should not be forgotten: Those players who show their concern that certain skills are weakened, justify it because otherwise they cannot win the game (sometimes even at higher levels of difficulty). What is the right way now? Above certain soldier level, we give the player overpowering abilities, calm this players, but make the game asymmetrical. Or do we combat the root of the problem, which also involves changes? For example I think: Snapshot should think about banishing certain mutations, especially chirons, completely from “easy”. I personally hoped that our Council could help with that. Courage to change. ---
**Author:** ![Yokes](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/yokes/32/310_2.png) [@Yokes](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Yokes)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/48 "2020-05-03T22:13:55Z")
> [@walan](#): > > I personally hoped that our Council could help with that. Courage to change. I have courage to suggest changing almost everything in this game. 😃 PS. Well maybe like 70% of it all. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelIgnotus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/michaelignotus/32/1793_2.png) [@MichaelIgnotus](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MichaelIgnotus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/49 "2020-05-03T22:24:47Z")
Small steps @walan, small steps. And the first of those is getting them to acknowledge there’s a problem. ---
**Author:** ![walan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@walan](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/walan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/50 "2020-05-04T08:22:54Z")
No offense against you or anyone. You and many others are committed to the game out of love, knowing that it is broken in terms of balance. I’m here for the same reason. There is only one danger with “small steps”. There is a “point of no return” that PP will reach pretty soon with bigger balance decisions (IMO until the next DLC, then is all done). Why? Because more and more tactics fans are turning away from PP. Those who are still there or are waiting for a balance miracle just hold on to the potential. On the other hand, the players who have difficulty in beating the game “get used” to the cheat skills. Over time, the resistance to remove the cheats only increases until the whole project PP ends in a cheat disaster. Also in other forums and YouTube videos there are many long and analytically described cheat methods (the word OP is an understatement) that have been around for a long time. What happens against it? The fact that a new word had to be created for “alpha strike” shows how broken the whole thing is. So little steps and play down? To make the devs aware of this massive problem, the truth must also be spoken out loud And so that this is not misunderstood: These tactics fans do not want to make the game harder for their hardcore experience, but only fair (without cheating) at all levels of difficulty. You can see that from the fact that not one of them cried that acid and siren were weakened in the last patch. I wanted to get rid of that and now take a break. ---
**Author:** ![Spagetman43](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/spagetman43/32/1579_2.png) [@Spagetman43](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Spagetman43)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/51 "2020-05-04T09:33:28Z")
I actually have never really used this feature! But thanks for the exploit info, I may give it a try now! ---
**Author:** ![Yokes](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/yokes/32/310_2.png) [@Yokes](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Yokes)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/52 "2020-05-04T09:54:43Z")
> [@walan](#): > > You can see that from the fact that not one of them cried that … siren were weakened in the last patch. I cry a little bit about siren nerf. 😉 But with acid it was good decision until double/triple damage bug will be removed. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelIgnotus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/michaelignotus/32/1793_2.png) [@MichaelIgnotus](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MichaelIgnotus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/53 "2020-05-04T09:55:57Z")
You are quite right Walan - but it became very clear to me when the whole ‘alpha strike’ thing blew up on Yokes’ thread that the devs were not truly aware of the nature of the problem. Without breaking any confidences, they are now very aware and are looking into it. So let’s see what transpires from there. As you say, if it doesn’t ultimately get fixed, a large portion of PP’s core audience are going to walk away and leave it to the alpha-gamers, which would be a great shame. I’m hoping that we can ultimately find a solution that satisfies all sides, but it will take time. ---
**Author:** ![noStas](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/nostas/32/2001_2.png) [@noStas](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/noStas)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/54 "2020-05-05T14:02:53Z")
> [@MichaelIgnotus](#): > > but it will take time (BB5 with broken skills came out in September) They had almost a year to understand and believe that “super duper skills” break the “entire game”. Although, maybe it’s “I’m on the forum” stupid and do not understand how to play correctly … ---
**Author:** ![MichaelIgnotus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/michaelignotus/32/1793_2.png) [@MichaelIgnotus](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MichaelIgnotus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/55 "2020-05-05T14:40:08Z")
Hey mate, I’m with you. As I said in my reply to Walan above - and in earlier posts - I’m flabbergasted that the devs did not seem to believe that FTStriking was a problem until we raised it in the Community Council. But they are now looking into it, and hopefully we will get some sort of resolution - even if it may not be the one that many of us want. And that kind of thing is precisely the reason why I thought the CC was a good idea and argued for it against Spite’s objections. Stuff gets lost in all the sound and fury of forums like this, whereas the CC can literally stick it under the devs’ noses and say: “Pay attention: this is important.” ---
**Author:** ![noStas](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/nostas/32/2001_2.png) [@noStas](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/noStas)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/56 "2020-05-05T15:43:53Z")
Which is easier “soften” every skill, and break the entire existing balance or continue to do as before - removing only the sharp ends? I don’t believe that when developing “super duper skills” you don’t see their (absurd) flaws … ---
**Author:** ![walan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@walan](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/walan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/57 "2020-05-05T16:00:20Z")
> [@MichaelIgnotus](#): > > whereas the CC can literally stick it under the devs’ noses and say: “Pay attention: this is important.” This list will hardly fit on a sticky note > [@noStas](#): > > I don’t believe that when developing “super duper skills” you don’t see their (absurd) flaws … The problem is: it seems to be a design decision, a kind of “reward”. Players who have reached level 7 should feel “rewarded” and finally use the “allowed” cheat skills. It is apparently that what a tactics fan wishes to finally smash the enemys with “FTS” without making a big deal of thought, to make themselves invulnerable (electrical reinforcement), to shoot bosses from the initial position with multishots (sniper rage burst) or to start the AP generator (our favorite Rally the Troops). ---
**Author:** ![MichaelIgnotus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/michaelignotus/32/1793_2.png) [@MichaelIgnotus](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MichaelIgnotus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/58 "2020-05-05T16:01:15Z")
> [@noStas](#): > > “soften” every skill, and break the entire existing balance What balance? There is no balance, unless you as the player artificially create some by voluntarily limiting your powers. I’ve been saying that the Squaddies were OP since at least BB3 or 4 - long before anyone else seemed to acknowledge that fact. And until now, I seem to have been crying into the wind. All I can tell you is that they have started looking into it now that we have brought it to their attention. Make of that what you will. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelIgnotus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/michaelignotus/32/1793_2.png) [@MichaelIgnotus](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MichaelIgnotus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/59 "2020-05-05T16:10:04Z")
BUT - and this is a big but - that statement seems to have been made in the mistaken belief that these powers only allowed to you alpha-strike particular enemies one at a time, rather than Terminate an entire map. Now it has been made very clear to the devs that unlimited skills = Terminator Builds and all that they entail. We shall see whether that information alters the direction that PP is currently taking. If it doesn’t, I suspect I’m out, until some modder comes along and does what many of us are crying out for Snapshot to do. Sad thing is, as I’ve said many times before and shall continue to say: _It’s not that difficult to satisfy both sides!_ Simply give me the option to limit Skill Spamming and give Spag the option to Skill Spam to his heart’s content - and balance the Pandas for the former ('cos who cares what they can do in the latter, since most of them are dead on Turn 1 anyway). ---
**Author:** ![walan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@walan](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/walan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229/60 "2020-05-05T16:20:50Z")
@MichaelIgnotus Nobody criticizes “you” or questions your commitment. [Previous page](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/link-rally-to-officer-promotion/10229.md?page=4)