# Laser Rifle armor shredding **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Discussion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/laser-rifle-armor-shredding/10835 "2020-06-17T16:12:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Magor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@Magor](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Magor)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/laser-rifle-armor-shredding/10835/1 "2020-06-17T16:12:30Z")
I saw at mission, when Synedrion fighting Pure, soldier whith laser rifle shred 25 armor per burst! And at Synedrion heaven’s defence bursts from laser rifle shred more that 10 armor points. I don’t have such rifle by myself and cann’t find out what’s going on. May be someone can prove is it bug? ---
**Author:** ![VOLAND](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c6cbf5/32.png) [@VOLAND](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/VOLAND)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/laser-rifle-armor-shredding/10835/2 "2020-06-17T17:01:59Z")
It’s not the laser rifle - it happens with other weapons as well, including the basic AR. I think it’s the new penetration system that came in Derleth: > [@HOTFIX - v1.0.58929 - 17/06/2020](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/hotfix-v1-0-58929-17-06-2020/10831/3): > > Added projectile penetration to all weapons. Now if a projectile hits and destroys a wall or body part the projectile will continue flying with the remaining damage. It just doesn’t work exactly (or only) as intended, as projectiles with 0 remaining damage continue traveling on, shredding armor on their path. This is particularly noticeable with Chirons, as they have many overlapping body parts. A burst with AR will regularly shred 15+ armor. Or that’s what I believe based on my experience. If anyone has a better explanation it would be great. ---
**Author:** ![Magor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@Magor](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Magor)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/laser-rifle-armor-shredding/10835/3 "2020-06-17T17:07:53Z")
Never saw such shredding with another rifles. Try to look better on my soldiers ---
**Author:** ![conductiv](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/conductiv/32/2836_2.png) [@conductiv](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/conductiv)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/laser-rifle-armor-shredding/10835/4 "2020-06-17T18:09:21Z")
I think VOLAND is correct, hellcannon dealing more shred damage used to be a thing well before Derleth, and I was okay with it being a cannon and it sorta made “sense” going in the front and out the back of some targets. However since they changed penetration I have seen it pop up in almost every shredding projectile weapon. (AR, nergals wrath) and none of those should have the level of power to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Magor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@Magor](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Magor)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/laser-rifle-armor-shredding/10835/5 "2020-06-18T06:39:00Z")
Soldier with laser rifle make 0 hp damage and 33 armor shred with one burst. It’s absolutly bug. ---
**Author:** ![VOLAND](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c6cbf5/32.png) [@VOLAND](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/VOLAND)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/laser-rifle-armor-shredding/10835/6 "2020-06-18T06:56:17Z")
> [@Magor](#): > > It’s absolutly bug. Yes, it definitely is a bug. ---
**Author:** ![Yokes](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/yokes/32/310_2.png) [@Yokes](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Yokes)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/laser-rifle-armor-shredding/10835/7 "2020-06-18T07:32:56Z")
yep it applies to any projectile weapon with shred value > [@Penetration system is not applied properly in all cases](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/penetration-system-is-not-applied-properly-in-all-cases/10396): > > Penetration system is not applied properly to all bullet/weapon properties. It works well with standard damage. But armor shred doesn’t stop with first hit part and flies further. My last barrage from Ares Assault Rifle with applied Armor Break hit 4 body parts of Chiron (abdomen, head, torso and one of the legs). But I was surprised that so much armor went off so I checked Info screen. And Chiron lost armor from abdomen, torso and 3 legs. The only way I see it could happen is this new penetra…