# Every arthron can be an umbra? **URL:** \ **Category:** Game Feedback\ **Created:** [October 3, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762 "2020-10-03T16:23:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jrhebert](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/jrhebert/32/1724_2.png) [@jrhebert](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/jrhebert)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/1 "2020-10-03T16:23:13Z")
Did I fail to read something correctly? Since the latest update, I’m seeing arthrons of _all_ types sometimes reanimating, not just umbras. The umbras are bad enough, but if _every_ arthron can potentially reanimate with ridiculous speed and CC ability, it’s kinda nuts. ---
**Author:** ![mcarver2000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/mcarver2000/32/2435_2.png) [@mcarver2000](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/mcarver2000)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/2 "2020-10-03T18:48:33Z")
This must certainly be a bug and should be reported via F12. ---
**Author:** ![jrhebert](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/jrhebert/32/1724_2.png) [@jrhebert](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/jrhebert)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/3 "2020-10-03T20:04:07Z")
I have, but I wanted to check here. ---
**Author:** ![VOLAND](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c6cbf5/32.png) [@VOLAND](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/VOLAND)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/4 "2020-10-04T00:04:06Z")
Just encountered a Myrmidon Prime with this ability… I’m not sure it’s a bug - it’s not that any Arthron can spawn a Tar Shadow, perhaps it’s that any (or more) Arthrons now have this ability. At least the one I got had a purple hue and its info panel showed the Tar Shadow ability. ---
**Author:** ![mcarver2000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/mcarver2000/32/2435_2.png) [@mcarver2000](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/mcarver2000)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/5 "2020-10-04T00:07:07Z")
Still talks and walks like a bug to me. ---
**Author:** ![jrhebert](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/jrhebert/32/1724_2.png) [@jrhebert](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/jrhebert)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/6 "2020-10-04T00:24:31Z")
I’m not sure it’s intentional. If it is, it’s super annoying. When you get an elite arthron that can _also_ spawn a high speed CC zombie, it’s a bit much. They breathe purple gas, so at least it’s possible to spot them, but the umbras were bad enough as they were. ---
**Author:** ![VOLAND](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c6cbf5/32.png) [@VOLAND](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/VOLAND)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/7 "2020-10-04T06:15:35Z")
TBH, I like them - they are a think before you kill enemy, and having them with different kind of Arthons makes it more interesting. However, I wonder how/if this appears in the evo intelligence reports. ---
**Author:** ![jrhebert](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/jrhebert/32/1724_2.png) [@jrhebert](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/jrhebert)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/8 "2020-10-04T12:35:19Z")
It doesn’t, I’ve been looking. It may show up in the gas report, but I don’t remember. I like the standard umbras, but when the umbra has an acid grenade launcher and a spitter head, it’s not really a wait-to-kill unit. If you just put it on overwatch, it sits there and spits at you or grenades you (unless you’ve shot its arm off). They are _significantly_ more dangerous than a standard arthron of the type. ---
**Author:** ![Odee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/odee/32/3459_2.png) [@Odee](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Odee)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/9 "2020-10-04T12:44:43Z")
> [@jrhebert](#): > > When you get an elite arthron that can _also_ spawn a high speed CC zombie, it’s a bit much. > > They breathe purple gas, so at least it’s possible to spot them, but the umbras were bad enough as they were. On the flip side … _Be joyful that you aren’t seeing **Chiron’s go Zombie** _ … yet. 👀 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Odee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/odee/32/3459_2.png) [@Odee](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Odee)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/10 "2020-10-04T12:45:48Z")
> [@VOLAND](#): > > However, I wonder how/if this appears in the evo intelligence reports. I have yet to see this in the Intel reports as well. ---
**Author:** ![VOLAND](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c6cbf5/32.png) [@VOLAND](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/VOLAND)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/11 "2020-10-04T13:40:35Z")
> [@jrhebert](#): > > (unless you’ve shot its arm off). Well, yes 🙂 Or paralyze it, or viral it. I wonder about the evo reports/evolution though… I think I would rather have different Pandorans with the Tar Shadow ability on each playthrough, and which and how many of them get the ability depending on difficulty. One of my big hopes is that the reactive Pandoran mutations will be a thing (like blast resistance, psychic scream on death, etc) and that’s how I think they should be implemented. ---
**Author:** ![jrhebert](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/jrhebert/32/1724_2.png) [@jrhebert](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/jrhebert)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/12 "2020-10-04T14:21:52Z")
Sure, if you’re got enough paralysis/virus to pump into it in one turn and not get swarmed by other enemy. The elite arthrons have good strength and wp. ---
**Author:** ![jj482b](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/jj482b/32/2073_2.png) [@jj482b](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/jj482b)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/13 "2020-10-04T18:23:54Z")
or just burn them… ---
**Author:** ![etermes](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/etermes/32/4315_2.png) [@etermes](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/etermes)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/14 "2020-10-04T18:29:11Z")
or MC, it works too [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/fdkeu9ggoxw7u8b/MC\_Umbra.mp4?dl=0](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/fdkeu9ggoxw7u8b/MC_Umbra.mp4?dl=0) ---
**Author:** ![jrhebert](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/jrhebert/32/1724_2.png) [@jrhebert](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/jrhebert)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/15 "2020-10-04T19:59:01Z")
Nice. I’ve got no soldiers with MC yet on this campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Facetious1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/facetious1/32/2547_2.png) [@Facetious1](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Facetious1)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/16 "2020-10-05T20:31:41Z")
So I had one these other Arthron spawn Umbra… Get this as I was aiming at him in sniper…he exhales purple air…sure enough death shot and he turned Umbra…gonna play more to see if this is 100%, but no other of the Arthrons were exhaling purple. ---
**Author:** ![jrhebert](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/jrhebert/32/1724_2.png) [@jrhebert](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/jrhebert)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/17 "2020-10-05T22:13:18Z")
Yes, the purple exhale is the tell. ---
**Author:** ![Odee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/odee/32/3459_2.png) [@Odee](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Odee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/18 "2020-10-07T14:32:53Z")
> [@Facetious1](#): > > So I had one these other Arthron spawn Umbra… Get this as I was aiming at him in sniper…he exhales purple air…sure enough death shot and he turned Umbra…gonna play more to see if this is 100%, but no other of the Arthrons were exhaling purple. What difficulty level are you seeing this happen in? ---
**Author:** ![mcarver2000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/mcarver2000/32/2435_2.png) [@mcarver2000](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/mcarver2000)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/19 "2020-10-07T18:30:53Z")
The hotfix took away the dedicated Arthron Umbra (though is still appears in the Intel Reports) and instead seems to have given this ability to random Arthrons (so far non-shield bearers). They also appear to have taken away the Triton Umbra altogether (haven’t seen it in the field or the Intel Reports). ---
**Author:** ![Odee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/odee/32/3459_2.png) [@Odee](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Odee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762/20 "2020-10-07T22:19:09Z")
> [@mcarver2000](#): > > They also appear to have taken away the Triton Umbra altogether (haven’t seen it in the field or the Intel Reports Not entirely factual. Before and after the _Fix_, I have yet to see anything other than a Shield Bearer, with Pincers, turn Zombie. That is on Veteran and Newb modes. [Next page](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/every-arthron-can-be-an-umbra/11762.md?page=2)