# Auto turrets OP **URL:** \ **Category:** Game Feedback\ **Created:** [January 30, 2021, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797 "2021-01-30T06:20:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lobo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/lobo/32/4035_2.png) [@Lobo](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Lobo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/1 "2021-01-30T06:20:43Z")
Canny Official Feedback Tool topic: [https://feedback.phoenixpoint.info/feedback/p/auto-turrets-op](https://feedback.phoenixpoint.info/feedback/p/auto-turrets-op) I think we all agree the Auto Turrets are one of the most OP ingame with huge damage for 1 AP, mainly the Scorcher AT. I suggest to reduce their burst to 6 (from 8 of NJ turrets and 10 from PP turret). ![AT](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/snapshotgames/original/2X/a/a07b027eaf1afa76c82c96d4c85605843e74b9f0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![walan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@walan](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/walan)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/2 "2021-01-30T08:26:12Z")
This mobile turrets that take 1 place in backpack have more firepower then the turret on NJ vehicle. Funny šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø ---
**Author:** ![MadSkunky](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/madskunky/32/2650_2.png) [@MadSkunky](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MadSkunky)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/3 "2021-01-30T18:48:48Z")
Armadillo can be a safe place for 4 squaddies and has 10 x more HP and around 3 x more armor than a turret. Funny. This comparison makes no sense, but I agree that turrets, or better the usage of turrets for 1 AP is pretty OP. Solution? Nerf turrets and / or the 1 AP remote control usage. My suggestion: - Remote Control only usable once per turn and for 2 AP. - Reducing the damage of all turrets (35 for NJ and 50 for Scorcher) and the burst of the Scorcher also to 8 per shot (same as Armadillo). - The [Advanced Laser Technology](http://wiki.phoenixpoint.com/Phoenix_Project_research#Advanced_Laser_Technology_.281200.29) (Scorcher AT, Gonrgon Eye PDW, Destiny III mounted laser) should be gated behind [Advanced Technician Weapons](http://wiki.phoenixpoint.com/New_Jericho_Research#Advanced_Technician_Weapons_.28800.29) (Enforcer PDW, Rattlesnake AT) and not right with the base [Technician Development](http://wiki.phoenixpoint.com/New_Jericho_Research#Technician_Development_.281200.29) (Technician, Defender PDW, Watcher AT) research. Then we can look how good turrets are when their usage is not longer so easy as it is right now and their overall damage values are reduced. ---
**Author:** ![walan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@walan](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/walan)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/4 "2021-01-30T19:45:26Z")
> [@MadSkunky](#): > > Armadillo can be a safe place for 4 squaddies and has 10 x more HP and around 3 x more armor than a turret. Funny. It was just supposed to be a comparison between the turrets, as I also wrote. Not vehicle itself. No matter: I think your suggestions are good. One might ask why after a year it wasnā€™t ā€œso noticeableā€ that turrets are ā€œOPā€? So for me the turrets only became ā€œOPā€ after the patch when the control went completely to the player. Before ā€œRemote Controlā€ was also strong, but on the other hand the turret AI also made nonsense (e.g. wrong opponent selection, or friendly fire). This AI nonsense didnā€™t make the decision to turret completely as trivial as it is now, as there were also disadvantages. I donā€™t mean to say that the disadvantages should come back, just that something should be readjusted ā€œnowā€ in terms of firepower. ---
**Author:** ![MadSkunky](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/madskunky/32/2650_2.png) [@MadSkunky](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MadSkunky)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/5 "2021-01-30T20:05:02Z")
It was this ā€œtake 1 place in the backpackā€ that triggered me because with it you already opened the door to compare the entire turret with the entire vehicle. In my opinion, the armadillo has advantages and disadvantages, and its weapon doesnā€™t seem to be in the first part to me, but it is more than compensated for by what Iā€™ve written. Anyway, there is nothing to argue about here, we are on the same side šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![VOLAND](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c6cbf5/32.png) [@VOLAND](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/VOLAND)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/6 "2021-01-30T20:26:52Z")
> [@MadSkunky](#): > > Remote Control only usable once per turn and for 2 AP. I think itā€™s OK to leave it at 1 AP cost and limit use _per device_. So a Technician can use manual control on 2 turrets, but 2 Technicians canā€™t use same turret twice. > [@MadSkunky](#): > > The [Advanced Laser Technology](http://wiki.phoenixpoint.com/Phoenix_Project_research#Advanced_Laser_Technology_.281200.29) (Scorcher AT, Gonrgon Eye PDW, Destiny III mounted laser) should be gated behind [Advanced Technician Weapons](http://wiki.phoenixpoint.com/New_Jericho_Research#Advanced_Technician_Weapons_.28800.29) (Enforcer PDW, Rattlesnake AT) and not right with the base [Technician Development](http://wiki.phoenixpoint.com/New_Jericho_Research#Technician_Development_.281200.29) (Technician, Defender PDW, Watcher AT) research. Yes, I agree. > [@MadSkunky](#): > > Reducing the damage of all turrets (35 for NJ and 50 for Scorcher) and the burst of the Scorcher also to 8 per shot (same as Armadillo). Maybe yes. And/or reduce ammo. Anyway, they do need a nerf šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![MadSkunky](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/madskunky/32/2650_2.png) [@MadSkunky](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MadSkunky)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/7 "2021-01-30T20:32:01Z")
> [@VOLAND](#): > > I think itā€™s OK to leave it at 1 AP cost and limit use _per device_ . So a Technician can use manual control on 2 turrets, but 2 Technicians canā€™t use same turret twice. Maybe yes, combined with the general damage nerf, why not. Needs some tests šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![conductiv](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/conductiv/32/2836_2.png) [@conductiv](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/conductiv)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/8 "2021-01-31T22:11:22Z")
did you guys ever have to reload a turret?..I have a feeling the turret gets refilled vehicle style even though it has ā€œconstructedā€ ammo. ---
**Author:** ![MadSkunky](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/madskunky/32/2650_2.png) [@MadSkunky](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MadSkunky)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/9 "2021-01-31T22:28:47Z")
There is no ammo after mission needed, reload is for free, so it is the same as with vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![stewpidbear](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/stewpidbear/32/1726_2.png) [@stewpidbear](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/stewpidbear)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/10 "2021-02-01T06:37:57Z")
Just make them like vehicle turrets, two firings per turn? Why the difference if their basically the same? ---
**Author:** ![MadSkunky](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/madskunky/32/2650_2.png) [@MadSkunky](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MadSkunky)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/11 "2021-02-01T07:32:55Z")
On their own they can fire 2 times per turn, so there is no difference to the Armadillo turret. And a Technician can also fire the Armadillo turret with Remote Control for 1 AP until it is empty, again no difference (except it cant be reloaded). Scarab is hard capped by firing once per turn, because it has a rocket launcher. Aspida is special but can also fired/zapped by one or more Technicians for 1AP multiple times per turn. ---
**Author:** ![stewpidbear](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/stewpidbear/32/1726_2.png) [@stewpidbear](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/stewpidbear)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/12 "2021-02-01T09:01:02Z")
Not arguing that, but even with remote op make them only fire twice. So what or who controls them they can only fire twice rather than four times with remote operation. ---
**Author:** ![MadSkunky](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/madskunky/32/2650_2.png) [@MadSkunky](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MadSkunky)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/13 "2021-02-01T09:13:29Z")
> [@stewpidbear](#): > > rather than four times with remote operation. In fact, currently they can fire more per turn, ~~2~~ 1 times on their own and per Technician additionally 4 times = ~~6~~ 5 times per turret and Technician. (Edit: Not the real) Max abuse: 8 Technicians and 8 turrets = 8 x 5 = 40 shots / turn = 10 x 60 x 40 = 24.000 potential damage in one turn Edit: If you limit to one turret per technician, each additional turret adds 1 x 10 x 60 = 600 potential damage to the equation. šŸ˜‰ Edit2: Correction, see below, they can only soot once per turn for 4 AP. ---
**Author:** ![mcarver2000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/mcarver2000/32/2435_2.png) [@mcarver2000](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/mcarver2000)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/14 "2021-02-01T09:48:51Z")
> [@MadSkunky](#): > > On their own they can fire 2 times per turn, so there is no difference to the Armadillo turret. Iā€™m pretty sure they only fire once on their own. ---
**Author:** ![MadSkunky](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/madskunky/32/2650_2.png) [@MadSkunky](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MadSkunky)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/15 "2021-02-01T09:53:08Z")
Hmmm ā€¦ imo 2AP per shot, but I have to admit that I mostly shot with the Technician 1 AP remote control. @etermes has more experience with turrets, maybe he has an answer, otherwise I can test it. ---
**Author:** ![etermes](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/etermes/32/4315_2.png) [@etermes](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/etermes)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/16 "2021-02-01T10:07:57Z")
If you use remote control during PX turn, and you donā€™t use the bursts, it stacks, next turn that turret can use twice on its own. There are not limit for exploit, you bring a technician with a lof WP, and remote control is only restricted by those WP (1 AP 3 WP per use), assault using onslaught grants two more APs, with more technicians is a party. Ammo never is a problem, I never ran out of ammo, Scorcher AT is amazing and super OP, I have to use one max. and only in specific missions. ---
**Author:** ![MadSkunky](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/madskunky/32/2650_2.png) [@MadSkunky](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/MadSkunky)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/17 "2021-02-01T14:45:24Z")
> [@mcarver2000](#): > > Iā€™m pretty sure they only fire once on their own. Youā€™re right, they can only shoot once per turn for all 4 AP: ![grafik](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/uploads/snapshotgames/original/2X/0/08aaad791f03cf8f7a631737ab55c5b0fcc887e4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![mcarver2000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/mcarver2000/32/2435_2.png) [@mcarver2000](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/mcarver2000)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/18 "2021-02-01T14:57:38Z")
Unless, as etermes, mentioned; the tech remote controlled the turret on the previous turn and it was not fired. It can now do 2 shots on the next turn. ---
**Author:** ![Lobo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/lobo/32/4035_2.png) [@Lobo](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Lobo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/19 "2021-02-01T22:31:49Z")
It seems we all are in agreement with this overpowerā€¦ you know if the developers of game are aware of it and if they will do some change in a future patch? ---
**Author:** ![Lorifel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/forums.snapshotgames.com/lorifel/32/2366_2.png) [@Lorifel](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/u/Lorifel)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797/20 "2021-02-02T00:07:02Z")
The turrets may look overpowered in theory. But in practice whenever I place them Pandorans end their turns behind cover, so that the next turn my turret has no targets to fire. So I have to pack it (for 2 AP) and deploy again in another place (1 or 2 more AP). [Next page](https://forums.snapshotgames.com/t/auto-turrets-op/12797.md?page=2)